No, unfortunatly you cant vote AI to kick. If there are more than 1 player on a server you also can't go back to the race menue in order to remove the AI from the race list, at least if you have no server rights.
I would like to search the forum about "AI" also in other questions, but it isn't accepted, because the term is with 2 letters too short.
I would like to search the forum about "AI" also in other questions, but it isn't accepted, because the term is with 2 letters too short.
As long as nobody or only 1 driver is playing on a certain server, it takes ages until someone else joins in. But as soon as their are 4-6 players, many others step in. Yesterday in the morning (CET) many people jumped on the same server until it crashed. But after the server was down, the 12-16 players didn't come together on another server again. 
When I'm joining a server as 1st player I'm able to select a certain track and add up to 2 AI drivers as pace maker if possible. (I hate it to drive alone.) But after the 3-4 drivers join in they start complaining about the AI. How can you remove AI as soon as there are enough human players?
When I'm joining a server as 1st player I'm able to select a certain track and add up to 2 AI drivers as pace maker if possible. (I hate it to drive alone.) But after the 3-4 drivers join in they start complaining about the AI. How can you remove AI as soon as there are enough human players?
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
Nowadays the sound is not only made by the engine and turbo etc., it's also modified by sound designers to give the car a typical and individual powerful sound, which should appeal to their customers. Whatever you hear in sport cars of luxury class is about 50% power and 50% show. 
If you have installed the 0.5p patch you get advanced filter options in the server menue. Among Others you can choose a preseted filter combo called "TBO". Then you get a list about 15 servers. Most servers are empty, but if we want some racing with the demo cars, UF1, FXO, LX4 and the RB4 cars, we should start pouplating these servers. Or look at S1 servers if DasKlee is running his S1 server.
You might have to download and install the 0.5p patch in order to get these filter options, even if you installed the S2 a few days ago.
You might have to download and install the 0.5p patch in order to get these filter options, even if you installed the S2 a few days ago.
I've just begun racing LfS a few days ago and I like all S1 and demo cars a played so far. The XRG was interesting, because there you can learn a lot about making good set-ups. Little changes have already big influence on the handling.
At time I try to master the XRT. New tracks, or tracks with extrem narrow corners like cadet I almost try with the XFG in order to get a clue how to drive there. Sometimes I also like to drive the LX4 and the UF1.
At time I try to master the XRT. New tracks, or tracks with extrem narrow corners like cadet I almost try with the XFG in order to get a clue how to drive there. Sometimes I also like to drive the LX4 and the UF1.
EDIT
Of course the AI is still intersting and I want to add something constructive, after the discussion in the last past days wasn't very pleasant.
I found a solution to make the AI enjoyable again, at least for players which also think the AI is getting unbeatable in certain situations:
1. Go to: Options-> Misc-> AI Use Player set-up
2. Go to the race menue and then to the set-up Box. There you create a new set up, called "ConstraintAI" or whatever you prefer.
3. Put 2 or more additional passenger into this set up and/or give 100% fuel. You can also make the last gear worthless. (I've heard that extrem dark souls has also manipulated the brakes of their oppunents. :mischievo )
4. After selecting as many AIs as you like, don't forget to return to the box and choose now your favourite set up for yourself.
5. Start the race and have fun again.
Of course the AI is still intersting and I want to add something constructive, after the discussion in the last past days wasn't very pleasant.
I found a solution to make the AI enjoyable again, at least for players which also think the AI is getting unbeatable in certain situations:
1. Go to: Options-> Misc-> AI Use Player set-up
2. Go to the race menue and then to the set-up Box. There you create a new set up, called "ConstraintAI" or whatever you prefer.
3. Put 2 or more additional passenger into this set up and/or give 100% fuel. You can also make the last gear worthless. (I've heard that extrem dark souls has also manipulated the brakes of their oppunents. :mischievo )
4. After selecting as many AIs as you like, don't forget to return to the box and choose now your favourite set up for yourself.
5. Start the race and have fun again.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
I already explained it yesterday.
Today I drove a little bit more on Blackwood Reverse the same track with the same beginner/newbe AI. It droves constant 1:31.xx times. My best time I ever drove so far was 1:32.xx. Don't know if 1:32.xx is such a pathetic time in a XRT. And even if it's a pathetic time, it doesn't explains why a newbe AI gets unbeateable now. Perhaps I should start a server at a certain time and you can join in and you can experience it yourself.
According to throttle issues: I'm using a gamepad with digital accelaration and brakes. So I can only drive full throttle.
Today I drove a little bit more on Blackwood Reverse the same track with the same beginner/newbe AI. It droves constant 1:31.xx times. My best time I ever drove so far was 1:32.xx. Don't know if 1:32.xx is such a pathetic time in a XRT. And even if it's a pathetic time, it doesn't explains why a newbe AI gets unbeateable now. Perhaps I should start a server at a certain time and you can join in and you can experience it yourself.
According to throttle issues: I'm using a gamepad with digital accelaration and brakes. So I can only drive full throttle.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
Sure it's an interpretation. The interpretation of the post before, where it was quoted that the AI don't take care about the status of the tyres, although they seems to be careful with cold tyres. At least according to the first round of race out of my point of view.
Whatever. I'm annoyed that I can't drive against AI drivers because they are getting incide a few races all stonger than me. I'm improving myself as well, but not with so much speed. So the AI is going to be unbeatleable for me. That's a fact and no interpretation.
But I don't care anymore. I've read here in the forum that the AI developmnent still isn't finished. We can hope that it'll be done with the final release, allthough everybody has different expectations. For some the AI isn't fast enough and learns nothing, for others like me it seems to be already too intelligent, or whatever a AI can be.
For my to cents I bought LfS to have fun in races against other people anyways, so I don't care what's happening to the AI anymore...
Whatever. I'm annoyed that I can't drive against AI drivers because they are getting incide a few races all stonger than me. I'm improving myself as well, but not with so much speed. So the AI is going to be unbeatleable for me. That's a fact and no interpretation.
But I don't care anymore. I've read here in the forum that the AI developmnent still isn't finished. We can hope that it'll be done with the final release, allthough everybody has different expectations. For some the AI isn't fast enough and learns nothing, for others like me it seems to be already too intelligent, or whatever a AI can be.
For my to cents I bought LfS to have fun in races against other people anyways, so I don't care what's happening to the AI anymore...
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
I haven't proofed that. I can only say, what I have watched. I watched the AI driving in the 1st round very carefully, so I could overtake them inside of each corner with no problems. In the second round it looks a little bit difference. Perhaps the AI performs in 1st round only with 80% of their full strength. That would have nothing to do with AI, it would be just programed behavior.
Perhaps you're a master driver, who is always racing in world record speed. Then you might not notice the differences in the AI behaviour, because the AI ist still much too slow for you and you're able to overtake them anyways.
But on my level of driving it's a big difference if the AI is able to drive every round 20 seconds faster or not and even a beginner AI becomes unbeatable even on tracks a I know to perform well.
Perhaps you're a master driver, who is always racing in world record speed. Then you might not notice the differences in the AI behaviour, because the AI ist still much too slow for you and you're able to overtake them anyways.
But on my level of driving it's a big difference if the AI is able to drive every round 20 seconds faster or not and even a beginner AI becomes unbeatable even on tracks a I know to perform well.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
In my German language pack version there are 5 different AI's settings in S2 possible:
1. Anfänger -> Beginner or Rookie
2. Amateur -> Amateur
3. Halbprofi -> Semipro
4. Profi -> Pro
5. As -> Ace
(German term, used in the game -> closest English translation I know)
So whenever I'm talking about the Ace AI, I mean the strongest AI from all about 5 possible AIs. Hope that makes things clearer.
But regardless how the single AI levels are called, I'm sure it has no influence of the AI itself. Even if you're calling a dog as a cat, it's still a dog.
1. Anfänger -> Beginner or Rookie
2. Amateur -> Amateur
3. Halbprofi -> Semipro
4. Profi -> Pro
5. As -> Ace
(German term, used in the game -> closest English translation I know)
So whenever I'm talking about the Ace AI, I mean the strongest AI from all about 5 possible AIs. Hope that makes things clearer.
But regardless how the single AI levels are called, I'm sure it has no influence of the AI itself. Even if you're calling a dog as a cat, it's still a dog.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
A lot have to do with racers attitude. Today I made a server running on Green among others. 3 players left the server immediatly after they weren't on first position after the first 3 corners. Well they were involved in a crash, but something like that I've only seen on Midnight Club 2 servers. (I have never seen more childish behaviour in an online game like there.)
After 3 corners the race has just begun and there are many chances to come back If you try your best and don't give up. In particular on a track full of Newbes, even if it's a short run race. But with quitting the game, if you feel uncomfortable, you will never learn an unknown track.
After 3 corners the race has just begun and there are many chances to come back If you try your best and don't give up. In particular on a track full of Newbes, even if it's a short run race. But with quitting the game, if you feel uncomfortable, you will never learn an unknown track.
The first round you have the best chances to overtake, because the AI drivers are very careful with cold tyres. If you like make your experiment like I did and start trying to overtake with the beginning of the 2nd round.
Have you played up to 8-10 times against the same AI on the same track for about 5 rounds? Then you see what I'm talking about. If you're such a good driver you can start imedently wit a Pro or Ace AI.
I made this morning the same experience. This time with a beginner AI on Blackwood reverse. I took the XRT and the AI the LX4. After the 8th race it improves best times from about 1:55.xx to 1.34.xx.
Same track, same stupid beginner AI -> over 20 seconds difference each round. So it's nearly as fast as a Pro or Ace AI in the very first race.
I made this morning the same experience. This time with a beginner AI on Blackwood reverse. I took the XRT and the AI the LX4. After the 8th race it improves best times from about 1:55.xx to 1.34.xx.
Same track, same stupid beginner AI -> over 20 seconds difference each round. So it's nearly as fast as a Pro or Ace AI in the very first race.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
Have you already installed it and it works in a proper way? I downloaded the Race Manager, Python 2.3 and this other python tool in order to use the GUI, but I have no idea how to bring these 3 tools and LFS together in order to manage the server. Do I have to install also the dedicated host from here http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=addons ?
I know a lot about configuring computers, programs and such stuff and my English isn't that bad, but I've reached I point now where I actually don't know what to do. This seems to be too difficult as for being a practical solution for an average user.
I know a lot about configuring computers, programs and such stuff and my English isn't that bad, but I've reached I point now where I actually don't know what to do. This seems to be too difficult as for being a practical solution for an average user.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
I agree that it isn't a good idea to allow all cars on a track. I always stay away from these servers. It would make no sense if I want to practise with a GTR or even worse with a GTI and some minutes later other drivers join in driving with Formula 1 cars.
But a little bit variaty should be there in my opinon. Yesterday I hosted the "Sunday's Fun Server" with short 5 round races, allowing UF1, XFG, XRG, XRT and LX4, which should appeal to newbes knowing the demo cars and drivers who loves to drive or try out the Mini and Roadcars.
A very good driver who loves drifting around can be competive with the XRG to an unexperienced XRT driver. I had also an intersting race in my XRT against someone who liked to learn the LX4 Roadcar. The UF1 and XFG are perfect to learn a new track due to their good handling and braking abilities.
We were up to 5-6 drivers yesterday and I enjoyed it very much. Alas I have no oppotunity to run a 24/7 server. I'm sure such servers could be a success if some people even with different driving skills come together for having fun and forget for half an hour of winning and being the fastest is everything.
But a little bit variaty should be there in my opinon. Yesterday I hosted the "Sunday's Fun Server" with short 5 round races, allowing UF1, XFG, XRG, XRT and LX4, which should appeal to newbes knowing the demo cars and drivers who loves to drive or try out the Mini and Roadcars.
A very good driver who loves drifting around can be competive with the XRG to an unexperienced XRT driver. I had also an intersting race in my XRT against someone who liked to learn the LX4 Roadcar. The UF1 and XFG are perfect to learn a new track due to their good handling and braking abilities.
We were up to 5-6 drivers yesterday and I enjoyed it very much. Alas I have no oppotunity to run a 24/7 server. I'm sure such servers could be a success if some people even with different driving skills come together for having fun and forget for half an hour of winning and being the fastest is everything.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
I made today a server for Newbes and other drivers who have fun with driving minor cars in short run races. I put also an Amateur AI driver as pace maker into the race, as long as I was alone. But the AI got with every race faster and faster and was after 5 races it was about 10 secs faster than me each round. In the end the AI was fast enough to make problems even for the top drivers, which joined the server. I would say, the AI learns a little bit too fast.
I played with the 0.5 patch.
I played with the 0.5 patch.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
I'm sure he meant he is with the given race1 setS in most cases as fast as with any WR set up, which you can download everywhere. So it's mainly the driver on whom good lap times depends.
When I try downloaded WR setups, which should makes me 6 seconds faster per lap, I'm still as slow as using my customized set up.
Nevertheless I take the downloaded set ups as inspiration to develop new set ups which fits more my driving style. Although I'm still unexperienced with set-up issues, it's for me a pleasant pursuit to figure out some new settings and test them on the track. By doing this I also get more experience how to drive a new track.
When I try downloaded WR setups, which should makes me 6 seconds faster per lap, I'm still as slow as using my customized set up.
Nevertheless I take the downloaded set ups as inspiration to develop new set ups which fits more my driving style. Although I'm still unexperienced with set-up issues, it's for me a pleasant pursuit to figure out some new settings and test them on the track. By doing this I also get more experience how to drive a new track.
Sometimes I like the chaotic beahaviour on the demo servers. Then I let everybody pass at the start, watch how they are wrecking each other out of the 1st corner. Then I slide with 60 Km/h through the chaos and if I'm accelerating throuh the following chicane I'm often already on 4th or 5th position. After the long straight you can be sure that 1-2 drivers have too much speed during steering in the next corner, pulling them out of the track.
With luck you can achieve position 2-3 after a half round and the best of it, you have nothing else to do except staying on track.
With luck you can achieve position 2-3 after a half round and the best of it, you have nothing else to do except staying on track.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
It's good that they are sorted by ping.
But it would be easiear to find a specific server, if you could be able to switch the sorting function due to different parameters, e.g. sorting by name, ping, tracks etc. just like in Excel. That would also make e.g. a "Bookmark Server" option less important, which was also discussed these days. To bookmark a server wouldn't help someone anyway, if the server is only running temporaly.
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
Yes, I can only underline that the track design is very good in LfS. I don't need another 20 Formular 1 titles with always the same tracks with only minor changes.
@mrodgers
Hehe, maybay your impression is right. The post above was my 1st one here. But after that I learned fast. It's just a short summary of things I like to mention in general. If some of these points are already discussed, just take it as an additional opinion pro and con to certain issues.
I tried several racing games the last past weeks and I was always very annoyed about their bad multiplayer support, e.g. no chat, waiting in a lounge for ages, you don't see whether servers are running or not etc. Two games has no working multiplayer support at all without third party fan patches. It's unbelieveable what some developers are doing to their games.
illepall
I complained about this in another forum and there somone suggested me to try out the demo of LfS. That's why I'm here now.
@Klee
thank you very much. (again)
Hehe, maybay your impression is right. The post above was my 1st one here. But after that I learned fast. It's just a short summary of things I like to mention in general. If some of these points are already discussed, just take it as an additional opinion pro and con to certain issues.
I tried several racing games the last past weeks and I was always very annoyed about their bad multiplayer support, e.g. no chat, waiting in a lounge for ages, you don't see whether servers are running or not etc. Two games has no working multiplayer support at all without third party fan patches. It's unbelieveable what some developers are doing to their games.
illepallI complained about this in another forum and there somone suggested me to try out the demo of LfS. That's why I'm here now.
@Klee
thank you very much. (again)
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
More Newbe Servers for S2 Races, please
Hi,
first of all I want to thank everybody, who is hosting games in S2. But could it be possible to change some more servers into more beginner friendly ones?
At least I would like to race on some other tracks with the three beginner cars. On the other side I don't really understand why already such a small amount of players are interested in playing the demo track reversed. It's somehow a complete new experience to drive the track the other way round.
So I'm not quite sure, if there are more players really interested in racing all tracks with beginner cars. The only S2 server I found with exclusive beginner cars yesterday also ran the demo track forwarded.
EDIT:
Oops, sorry. Can this topic moved to "General LfS Discussion".
first of all I want to thank everybody, who is hosting games in S2. But could it be possible to change some more servers into more beginner friendly ones?
At least I would like to race on some other tracks with the three beginner cars. On the other side I don't really understand why already such a small amount of players are interested in playing the demo track reversed. It's somehow a complete new experience to drive the track the other way round.
So I'm not quite sure, if there are more players really interested in racing all tracks with beginner cars. The only S2 server I found with exclusive beginner cars yesterday also ran the demo track forwarded.
EDIT:
Oops, sorry. Can this topic moved to "General LfS Discussion".
Last edited by Sunday Driver, .
I like manager games (soccer, formula 1), C-RPGs like Baldur's Gate, Gothic or Morrowind and of course car racing games, in particular if they have a good multiplayer support. I also tried Topspin a tennis simulation. But I hate it often to loose in 1:1 situations. In a racing game I can have still fun fighting for 4th or 5th place even if there only 8 drivers.
I like to mention two underated games which impressed me very much:
"Chaos League" and "Etherlords". I recommend to search for fair reviews in the Internet and try out at least the demo if it sounds interesting. Both games can be achieved very cheap nowadays.
I like to mention two underated games which impressed me very much:
"Chaos League" and "Etherlords". I recommend to search for fair reviews in the Internet and try out at least the demo if it sounds interesting. Both games can be achieved very cheap nowadays.
Well I'm still a newbe, but it was very interesting to follow this discussion and I hope I learnt some proper behavior. In particular trying to let someone a car width room, if he tried to force you to slow down before a corner, seems to be very sensible.
My experience with good racing simulations is almost constraint to the multiplayer demo of LfS for 4-7 round races. So I have some questions, too.
If I'm racing with the same guys for several races and there is somone who is about 2 seconds faster than me per lap, shall I let him pass, or give him a fight for the position? Guys who are much faster than me can overtake me inside 2-3 corners without problems. If they have the patience and don't kick me out the 1st corner, claiming me of braking too early. I don't complain much about such things, instead of this I try to change the set-up in order to brake later, if that happens to me several times in the same corner. Nevertheless I find it unnescessary and dishonorable for the better driver.
But if someone is only a little bit faster, there is not much he can do, as long as I make no major mistakes. Sure it could lead into a crash, if he tries to force me to slow down before a corner, but, hey that's racing! Or is it a wrong attitude?
Nevertheless in the beginning or middle of a long run race I would properbly pass him without much resitance, because it makes no sense to ruin the lap times of both drivers, giving other players the chance to hang on.
My experience with good racing simulations is almost constraint to the multiplayer demo of LfS for 4-7 round races. So I have some questions, too.
If I'm racing with the same guys for several races and there is somone who is about 2 seconds faster than me per lap, shall I let him pass, or give him a fight for the position? Guys who are much faster than me can overtake me inside 2-3 corners without problems. If they have the patience and don't kick me out the 1st corner, claiming me of braking too early. I don't complain much about such things, instead of this I try to change the set-up in order to brake later, if that happens to me several times in the same corner. Nevertheless I find it unnescessary and dishonorable for the better driver.
But if someone is only a little bit faster, there is not much he can do, as long as I make no major mistakes. Sure it could lead into a crash, if he tries to force me to slow down before a corner, but, hey that's racing! Or is it a wrong attitude?
Nevertheless in the beginning or middle of a long run race I would properbly pass him without much resitance, because it makes no sense to ruin the lap times of both drivers, giving other players the chance to hang on.
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG